cc: jto@u.arizona.edu, Eystein Jansen , Pascale Braconnot , francis date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:44:43 -0500 from: Gabi Hegerl subject: Re: [Fwd: [Wg1-ar4-ch09] section 9.3] to: Keith Briffa Hi all, SOunds good - I will try to edit some more cross chapter references in, and we will also definitely change the terminology (Francis, would you mind putting a note into the mastercopy top of 9.3 to remind me - medieval warm period terminology to consolidate with terminology in box in chapter 6). Will put on my todo list. Peck overtime wrt what? :))) (Tom only sees my back in evenings these days staring at the screen) Gabi Keith Briffa wrote: > Gabi > absolutely no problem in what you say - our discussion of relative > importance of specific forcing and attribution is limited to probably > 2 vague sentences that describe the EMIC panel. I have just found that > somehow one lot of editing I did on an earlier version has all > disappeared and NOW I have a major job to re-edit so I am not sure > that I can be specific re suggestions - but I do not think some > repetition is necessarily a problem . Let's see how I get on. Cheers > Keith > At 15:59 28/02/2006, Gabi Hegerl wrote: > >> Hi Keith et al., >> >> I was trying to give you a call on this, but can't reach you - let me >> know if and when is a >> good time, teaching later this morning. >> >> The LGM and early holocene is meant from our side that we refer to >> you for all the details, and summarize >> the findings and why they are encouraging. The one aspect of the LGM >> we have in more detail is the >> two pdf estimates (annan and schneider von deimling), which I think >> is ok. >> And that mainstream sensitivity OAGCMs seem to do ok. >> >> Similar for the mid Holocene. >> >> For the last 1000 yrs, >> it was my understanding that you guys talk about the reconstructions, >> the forcings, and individual periods >> in the last 1000 yrs, and about the runs done with the forcings. >> In that, we definitely need to go with your terminology, sorry about >> the medieval warm >> period, that just didn't percolate down to us yet! >> As to response to forcing and detection and attribution, as well as >> what forcings explains what, >> what caused the early 20th century warming, and climate sensitivity, >> what forcing do we detect where etc, role of solar, >> volcanic and greenhouse gases relative to each other, I thought this >> was for chapter 9 to talk about. I am happy to cross reference you >> more on other stuff, and delete >> where you think we should for example not reference references, but >> chapter 6, unless its in these >> attribution questions. >> >> Is that still ok? So please let me know where you are concerned in >> detail, and then lets see what to do >> about the overlap >> >> Gabi >> >> >> Keith Briffa wrote: >> >>> Gabi >>> it is difficult to be precise as regards comments , mainly because >>> there do seem, as it turns out, to be large areas of overlap between >>> our discussion of the simulations, forcings, and consistency with >>> the CO2 record in what you sent. In some places you cite selected >>> references and occasional cross references to Chapter 6 , but this >>> could probably be much more frequent and perhaps specific with >>> regard to particular sections and Figures (and you could as a >>> consequence remove text if you wished - but I see no problem if not, >>> other than repetition , as there are no contradictory statements to >>> ours as far as I can see) . I make these remarks mostly with regard >>> to out last 2000 year section. >>> The only only one gripe with the text that I have is your reference >>> to the medieval period being a 500-year warm period . In fact we go >>> to some trouble to discuss the ambiguity of the concept in our Box >>> 6.4 and describe the timing of the warm periods .I think you should >>> not perpetuate the term in the vague context that you do. At present >>> , I am not certain of our final Figure order as I hope to rearrange >>> the later ones yet again. Anyway , you have pretty much the final >>> draft I believe of Chapter 6 and can , as no doubt you would anyway, >>> take or leave my opinions. Best wishes >>> Keith >>> >>> >>> At 18:10 27/02/2006, you wrote: >>> >>>> p.s. since I am going to a meeting on thursday (hockeystick revisited) >>>> we are trying to be down to bookkeeping and really minor stuff by >>>> thursday, >>>> so if you have suggestions, but wednesday would be best - SORRY! >>>> >>>> Gabi >>>> >>>> Gabi Hegerl wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Keith, Peck and Bette, >>>>> >>>>> Here is our preindustrial section. I think our chapters merge fine >>>>> here, I don't >>>>> see too much overlap, but it wouldn't hurt if you check either. >>>>> I will also send the sensitivity section to Bette in a few hours. >>>>> If you have changes, please use track changes. Francis, I have >>>>> accepted all >>>>> changes in this and removed comments no longer relevant >>>>> >>>>> Gabi >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>> Subject: [Wg1-ar4-ch09] section 9.3 >>>>> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:22:32 -0500 >>>>> From: Crowley_Hegerl >>>>> To: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi chapter 9 authors, >>>>> >>>>> This is the preindustrial section 9.3 for final crosschecking. >>>>> Please get back to us (using my work email or this list) by >>>>> Wednesday at the latest. >>>>> It has some questions and things to check for Pascale (thanks for >>>>> all the help with this >>>>> Already, did you see Bette’s latest LGM numbers and the updated >>>>> terminology? ­ I’ll >>>>> Also send ch6 draft which I got this morning). >>>>> >>>>> And one for Nathan on circulation stuff, there was a comment we >>>>> were not sure about. >>>>> Would be great of course if others have a chance to check, too. >>>>> >>>>> ALL: PLEASE ACCEPT ALL CHANGES before you make more changes. >>>>> Otherwise >>>>> It will be close to impossible to trace! >>>>> >>>>> Good morning everybody >>>>> >>>>> Gabi and Francis >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> Gabriele Hegerl >>>>> Division of Earth and Ocean Sciences, >>>>> Nicholas School for the Environment and Earth Sciences, >>>>> Box 90227 >>>>> Duke University, Durham NC 27708 >>>>> Ph: 919 684 6167, fax 684 5833 >>>>> email: hegerl@duke.edu, >>>>> http://www.env.duke.edu/faculty/bios/hegerl.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> Gabriele Hegerl >>>> Division of Earth and Ocean Sciences, >>>> Nicholas School for the Environment and Earth Sciences, >>>> Box 90227 >>>> Duke University, Durham NC 27708 >>>> Ph: 919 684 6167, fax 684 5833 >>>> email: hegerl@duke.edu, >>>> http://www.env.duke.edu/faculty/bios/hegerl.html >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Professor Keith Briffa, >>> Climatic Research Unit >>> University of East Anglia >>> Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. >>> >>> Phone: +44-1603-593909 >>> Fax: +44-1603-507784 >>> >> >> -- >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Gabriele Hegerl Division of Earth and Ocean Sciences, Nicholas School >> for the Environment and Earth Sciences, >> Box 90227 >> Duke University, Durham NC 27708 >> Ph: 919 684 6167, fax 684 5833 >> email: hegerl@duke.edu, http://www.env.duke.edu/faculty/bios/hegerl.html >> > > -- > Professor Keith Briffa, > Climatic Research Unit > University of East Anglia > Norwich, NR4 7TJ, U.K. > > Phone: +44-1603-593909 > Fax: +44-1603-507784 > > http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/ > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gabriele Hegerl Division of Earth and Ocean Sciences, Nicholas School for the Environment and Earth Sciences, Box 90227 Duke University, Durham NC 27708 Ph: 919 684 6167, fax 684 5833 email: hegerl@duke.edu, http://www.env.duke.edu/faculty/bios/hegerl.html