date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:30:25 -0500 from: Michael Mann subject: Re: Past Millennia Climate Variability - Review Paper to: Phil Jones thanks Phil, I did read the paper once over to get a sense of the flow as well as comment on specifics, and I think it fits together remarkably well given that it is splice of different authors w/ different styles/emphases. I agree that part 4 could perhaps be fleshed out a bit more, for example greenhouse gases are given short thrift and anthropogenic tropospheric aerosols, near as I can tell, aren't even discussed. Gavin/Caspar would perhaps we best suited to revise this section. But perhaps you'll get some constructive feedback/suggestions in each of these areas from the current authors. w/ 27 co-authors there is a huge sense of division of responsibility, so you may need to prod folks a few times before getting them to respond. let me know if I can be of any help w/ particular individuals! talk to you later, mike Phil Jones wrote: > > Mike, > You're the first to respond with comments. Only 12 have acknowledged > receipt of the email so far of the 27 authors. A couple seem to be on > travel > from emails I've had. > Section 3 is based on what Gene originally sent, but with inputs from > Francis and Caspar - not much from Caspar though. Tim here then put > all this together. It's been too busy here lately, that I've not had > a chance to > fully read this with time to think. The trees part was added > yesterday morning! > If you get time to look at the overall paper and consider whether any > issues are missing, or less important ones overmentioned. Also > look at the conclusions (also add to those there) and say which major > ones of these should follow > through to the abstract. Section 4 probably needs more work. I got some > good text from Gavin, small bits from Caspar and then the Figure text > Tim > added. It is probably a bit disjointed. The style of the different > parts of > section 2 on the paleo disciplines is also a little different. > > We had to send this out to keep Thorsten and EPRI off our backs. > > The arranged reviewing Keith has done will help - if all goes to plan > with fasttracking we could have this in August. > > Cheers > Phil > > > At 03:57 21/02/2008, you wrote: >> Hi Phil, >> >> The paper has shaped up very nicely--thanks for all of the work >> you've done on this. The appendix is especially nice--it's great to >> see this business finally put to rest, and will be very nice to >> finally be able to cite this when the paper is in press. >> >> I've attached a modified version, for your use. i didn't want to >> circulate to the full group, because frankly I wasn't quite sure >> whose feet I'm stepping on w/ some of my suggested edits/deletions. >> In a few places, I've objected (somewhat strenuously!) to some added >> bits that I felt were problematic/wrong and/or redundant anyways w/ >> better treatment and discussion of related issues elsewhere in the >> paper. I've also made a number of other comments regarding issues >> that are minor but nonetheless in my view important to get right, >> since this paper probably will be widely cited. Let me know if any >> of my suggestions/changes require further discussion. >> >> All of my changes are highlighted in cyan w/ comments in brackets and >> bold font. I fixed the ambiguity in Mann et al '05/'05b. There is >> just one Mann et al (05) that is relevant in this paper, so I've >> eliminated the 'b's, and I've also updated any outdated references. >> I also added a short statement to the acknowledgements (also >> highlighted in cyan). >> >> talk to you later, >> >> mike >> >> Phil Jones wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> Attached is the latest draft. This has undergone much change >>> in the past couple of >>> months. Keith has arranged for this to reviewed quickly by The >>> Holocene. Subject >>> to that being OK it will also be fastracked and could by out by the >>> boreal autumn. >>> So we need you to look through your section, and overall. We'd like >>> to submit this in >>> early March. >>> We know some small bits are missing (SH trees for example - >>> Ricardo is likely in >>> the field). We also need to clean up the references. If you have >>> some of those highlighted >>> in yellow - send them. >>> Can you all check the conclusions and add/modify but keep them >>> fairly >>> concise and in the bullet form? Also add in acknowledgements you'd >>> like >>> to have at the end. I presume you all want to remain involved in >>> this. Also >>> check affiliations. >>> >>> When you get this can you all acknowledge the email, so I can be >>> sure >>> my list is OK and that all have received it. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Phil >>> >>> PS can someone send this on to Huges Goose. He doesn't seem to be >>> on this >>> list. >>> >>> >>> Prof. Phil Jones >>> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 >>> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 >>> University of East Anglia >>> Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk >>> NR4 7TJ >>> UK >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Michael E. 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