date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:05:29 -0400 from: "Wahl, Eugene R" subject: RE: Ammann-Wahl paper to: "Phil Jones" Thanks Phil, and for the shot in the arm about " You'll be glad when the two papers are out, despite what CA says". I think you are quite right. And Steve Schneider handled the entire process very well with extensive review and re-review. And we responded in detail to all comments, of every kind. MM may actually be a bit surprised in the second paper -- I think we are very fair with what we say overall about their critiques, and the seriousness with which we take their critiques, e.g., the verification RE benchmarking issue. However, since scientific balance is apparently not their target, I am sure that the head of steam up will occur. Please note that I will be out of contact June 20-July 9, and then with Caspar at NCAR through August 8. Regular email contact during the NCAR month. Peace, Gene ________________________________ From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Mon 6/18/2007 3:46 AM To: Wahl, Eugene R Subject: RE: Ammann-Wahl paper Gene, Don't worry about asking. I fully understand. I will get around to reading the paper in the next week or so. When the two come out (Nov I think you said) expect CA to be a head of steam up. They have at the moment re exposure of US HCN sites and also IPCC's dealing with reviews of the paleo chapter and the author's responses. You'll be glad when the two papers are out, despite what CA says. I have had some threats - mainly directed at one of my co-author's from a paper in 1990 on urbanization effects. The threat is that the person will send a letter to his University (in this case SUNY at Albany) saying the research is flawed. It isn't of course, but it is a sign of the times. The threat is that he should withdraw his contribution to my paper from Nature ! Cheers Phil At 20:55 15/06/2007, you wrote: >You are welcome, Phil. Thanks for the sensitivity, only sorry to >have to ask. We'd be curious to hear your thoughts. > >Peace, Gene >________________________________ > >From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk] >Sent: Fri 6/15/2007 4:50 AM >To: Wahl, Eugene R; juerg@giub.unibe.ch >Subject: RE: Ammann-Wahl paper > > Gene, > Thanks for the paper. Fully understand the issues, so will > keep within CRU - well just Keith and Tim and then only > if necessary. > > Cheers > Phil > > >At 02:38 15/06/2007, Wahl, Eugene R wrote: > >Hi Phil and Juerg: > > > >Here is the Ammann-Wahl paper as promised. We received letter of > >final acceptance and movement to "in press" status yesterday from > >Stephen Schneider. We would ask that distribution be kept limited > >until it actually comes out in hard copy (scheduled for the November > >2007 issue of Climatic Change) so that its chances of getting to > >McIntyre (et al.) are reduced, and thus the the probability is > >decreased that he/they will have chance to attack it before it is > >fully available to the public--as they almost certainly would if the > >opportunity arises. Weird to need to consider such things, but that > >is the state of our science re: this particular paper. > > > >However, you should certainly feel free to share it within your > >research groups. > > > >Peace, Gene > >Dr. Eugene R. Wahl > >Asst. Professor of Environmental Studies > >Alfred University > > > >607-871-2604 > >1 Saxon Drive > >Alfred, NY 14802 > > > > > >Prof. Phil Jones >Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 >School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 >University of East Anglia >Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk >NR4 7TJ >UK >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------