date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:33:28 +0800 from: subject: Re: Re: Re: Fwd: 2008JD009916 (Editor - Yinon Rudich): to: "Phil Jones" Phil, It is very difficult to estimate the urbanization error. I am apt to assess the effect on the temperature warming trend in the time series based on my early research and our nearly conclusions. So the key part is built the China temperature change series with our nearly homogenized monthly mean maximum and minimum temperature series. The first step will be to follow your finished jobs(but limited in only Mainland China region). I think you will have mature methods and softwares to do that. I have a student to do this, but it seems she cannot finsh it in near future. So I hope we can use them under your instruction. Then, some other items like the urbanization and the thermometer change will be discussed. I guess it may be a little different with existing results got by inhomogenous dataset. Best Regards Qingxiang ======= 2008-02-21 17:17:57 ÄúÔÚÀ´ÐÅÖÐдµÀ£º======= > Qingxiang, > No reply yet from Brohan/Kennedy who I emailed yesterday. > You will only be able to incorporate some of the terms used in > Brohan et al. The marine ones can be ignored. > To include sampling errors you will need an estimate of the > term r-bar (r with the overbar). This is quite easy to estimate from > the inter-station correlations - as in the 1997 and 2001 papers. > Note that the errors/biases/sampling need to be estimated on > two timescales. > What do you plan to use for the urbanization error? > > Cheers > Phil > > >At 02:23 21/02/2008, you wrote: >>Phil, >> >>Thank you very much. >> >>It appears from the momment, we can only take >>the sampling errors and some part of bias error >>(Urbanization effects and thermometer change(in >>China, from manual to automatic observation from >>about 2002-2003)) in Brohan's paper into >>consideration in our staudy. So we can also use >>your approaches published in >>1990(urbanization),1997,2001(sampling errors) for references. >> >>BTW, I can use both my work address and "limmy"now. >> >>Cheers >> >>Qingxiang >> >> >>======= 2008-02-20 18:39:32 ÄúÔÚÀ´ÐÅÖÐдµÀ£º======= >> >> > Qingxiang, >> > I'll read over in the next week or so. I have emailed >> > to Philip Brohan and John Kennedy at the Hadley Centre. Philip >> > is in a different section, so may not want to get involved. >> > John might though. I'll let you know how they respond. >> > >> > By the way, are you getting emails from me at your work address >> > now, or do you still have to use 'limmy'? >> > >> > Cheers >> > Phil >> > >> > >> >At 10:00 20/02/2008, you wrote: >> >>Dear Phil, >> >> >> >>I have finished my paper for the homogenized >> >>dataset 1951~2004 (CHHT1.0)(attached), and will >> >>submit it to BAMS, can you read it and give me some comments or advices? >> >> >> >>Based on the dataset and the nearly finished >> >>CHHT 1900~2006, I am going to estimate the >> >>uncertainty in current National temperature >> >>change series for this period. We read Dr. >> >>Brohan's paper(JGR,2006) and want to follow some >> >>parts of your work in China scarle.But We found >> >>some difficulties in some of the taches. I >> >>wonder if we can invite you (and Dr. Brohan) to >> >>join the study? And can you help us to get >> >>approach to the whole procedures you used in the >> >>paper? (We can finish the analysis here with >> >>your help, or we can fund some people to do part >> >>of the job in UK with your help.) >> >> >> >>I understand that you are very busy. But would >> >>you please tell me your opinions? >> >> >> >>Thank you in advance. >> >> >> >>Best Regards >> >> >> >>Qingxiang >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>======= 2008-02-06 16:28:48 ÄúÔÚÀ´ÐÅÖÐдµÀ£º======= >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Dear David and Qingxiang, >> >> > I submitted the paper yesterday. >> >> > Here's the text of the submission, in the original format and also >> >> > double-spaced with line numbers. >> >> > >> >> > Cheers >> >> > Phil >> >> > >> >> >>X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 3.01 (F2.74; B3.07; Q3.07) >> >> >>Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 18:30:05 UT >> >> >>To: p.jones@uea.ac.uk >> >> >>Subject: 2008JD009916 (Editor - Yinon Rudich): Editor Assigned >> >> >>From: jgr-atmospheres@agu.org >> >> >>Reply-To: jgr-atmospheres@agu.org >> >> >>X-UEA-Spam-Score: 0.2 >> >> >>X-UEA-Spam-Level: / >> >> >>X-UEA-Spam-Flag: NO >> >> >> >> >> >>Content-Disposition: inline >> >> >>Content-Length: 987 >> >> >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary >> >> >>Content-Type: text/plain >> >> >> >> >> >>Dear Dr. Jones: >> >> >> >> >> >>On February 5, 2008, I received your manuscript entitled >> >> >>"Urbanization effects in large-scale temperature trends, with an >> >> >>emphasis on China" by authors Phil Jones, >> David Lister, and Qingxiang Li. >> >> >> >> >> >>Your manuscript has been assigned the Paper #: 2008JD009916. >> >> >> >> >> >>Your paper is now being sent out for peer review. 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