date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:31:07 +0300 (MSK) from: "olgasolomina" subject: glacier box to: eystein.jansen@geo.uib.no, jto@u.arizona.edu, Valerie.Masson@cea.fr, k.briffa@uea.ac.uk Hello everybody, Thanks a lot for your replies. I think we have to start with the Eystein e-mail strategy and finalise the discussion in Beijing. There are basically two problems: 1.introduction, which can be easily edited or just be very short containing only paleo-aspect and refering for the rest to the glacier chapter and 2.Scandinavia/Alps or broader perspective. I like the last possibility - those curves, even of low resolution, clearly show the main Holocene pattern. I suggest I will still continue to collect curves from people and will try to produce a new version of the picture. If we do not like it we will have to remove the ZFI and Brooks Range and keep only Scand, Alps and Spitsbergen with the discussion changed accordingly. If you agree, I would like to ask Eystein to ask to colleague, who produced the last version to send me the original data for the Scand & Alps curves or I'll send him mine (he seems to be more experienced in graphics)with the request to help again. We will certainly discuss the Oerlemans paper in Ch4 but I thought that if we are talking about the boreholes, we have to mention briefly glaciers in the same context as well. Another paper that I mentioned is even more important and can change a lot in the 2ka chapter because in terms of low-frequency it looks very different from all spagetti.(Moberg, A., Sonechkin, D., Holmgren, K., Datsenko, N., Karlen, W. (2005). "Highly variable Northern Hemisphere tempertures reconstructed from low-and high-resolution data." Nature 43(10Feb): 613-617.). Peck, who would you recommend to contact to produce a new curve of Holocene glacier variations in China? You should know the best possibility, I guess I have Bao Yang in mind, but I am not sure that he is the right one for glaciers. May be Lonnie can help again?. Regards, olga >Hi, >Concerning the glacier box: >I suggest we aim to work on this issue before the >Beijing meeting. I can co-ordinate an e-mail >discussion and bring in, when needed those who >helped us with the box. The first pass, I suggest >would be to look at the comments we have >received and Olga´s suggestions, then draft a >revised text and response to the comments for >discussion. >OK? >Concerning the last two millennia. >I agree that the issue of multidecadal and longer >time scale variability needs more emphasis, and >that this issue is a bit lost in perhaps too much >detail in the ZOD. I am sure, now that we are >done with our EU bid, things will progress on the >European side. >Cheers, >Eystein > > >At 16:03 -0700 14-03-05, Jonathan Overpeck wrote: >>Hi Olga - thanks for the more detailed comments. >>What do you think of the Oerlemans paper. Seemed >>quite interesting too me, but I find it hard to >>assess. >> >>We have two options for discussing the box. One >>would be to discuss in China at LA2, but it >>might make more sense to discuss before then, >>and perhaps with the others who helped. Could we >>do this by email - perhaps send the final text >>to everyone and then get ideas/comments. Then >>try to come up with a plan that can be finalized >>in Beijing? >> >>What do you think Eystein? >> >>Keith and Valerie - I know we're waiting for you >>to finish your proposal and send all your >>requested input, but would you please add this >>email query to your list of things to do as soon >>as you can. >> >>Thanks all, Peck >> >>>Hello everybody, >>> >>>1.ZOD comments >>> >>>There are two papers appeared recently that we >>>certainly have to discuss in our chapter both >>>dealing with the LOW FREQUENCY VARIATIONS of >>>the last two millennia: >>> >>>Oerlemans, J. (2005). "Extracting a Climate >>>Signal from 169 Glacier Records." Science: >>>www.sciencexpress.org / 03 March 2005 / Page 3/ >>>10.1126/science.1107046. >>> >>>Moberg, A., Sonechkin, D., Holmgren, K., >>>Datsenko, N., Karlen, W. (2005). "Highly >>>variable Northern Hemisphere tempertures >>>reconstructed from low-and high-resolution >>>data." Nature 433(10Feb): 613-617. >>> >>>My main concern about the last 2ka and the MWP >>>box is the lack of this (low-frequency) topic. >>>I like the whole text in general, but I feel >>>like there are too many technical details on >>>"spagetti". I agree that the global temperature >>>reconstructions based on annually resolved >>>records are probably the most important >>>achievement and the main stream, but we are >>>loosing sometimes this way some very important >>>evidences and issues. I do not mean just >>>glaciers, but, say, lake level variations, >>>marine sediments, Southern hemisphere data, >>>Antarctica versus N Hemisphere and some other >>>important issues. >>> >>>2. I would very much appreciate if we discuss >>>futher the glacier box. It is far from being >>>ready and I need a feedback from you. >>> >>>3. Links ch 4 >>>I sent a rough text to Georg Kaser who is in >>>charge for glaciers in ch 4, but had no answer >>>so far. He has been in the field, so might be >>>just too busy to answer. I will contact you >>>again as soon as we agree about the text on >>>"glaciers in LIA and beyond" to discuss the >>>problems of probable contradictions. >>> >>>Regards, >>>olga >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Dr.Olga Solomina >>>Corresponding Member of Russian Academy of Sciences >>>Institute of Geography RAS >>>Staromonetny-29 >>>Moscow, Russia >>>tel: 007-095-125-90-11, 007-095-939-01-21 >>>fax: 007-095-959-00-33 >>>e-mail: olgasolomina@yandex.ru >>>PAGES Web:www.pages-igbp.org >>> >>>-- >>>Ì÷“õ”íÀ ù”Ü—íšé ”÷í£, —ÿõ·š âÜ’÷ôÿì æõ—ÿù íÜ Øí”÷îô÷ http://mail.yandex.ru >> >> >>-- >>Jonathan T. Overpeck >>Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth >>Professor, Department of Geosciences >>Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences >> >>Mail and Fedex Address: >> >>Institute for the Study of Planet Earth >>715 N. 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