date: Wed Mar 16 13:38:30 2005 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: ZOD IPCC to: trenbert@ucar.edu Kevin, We have a paper by Parker (2004) in Nature saying it isn't important. This got used in some Royal Society (UK) release (which has had little impact) - I'll forward this, for interest when you're back. It'll be difficult to find out which stations they've used in China, but I would expect the affect to be small. Their conclusions are based on NCEP being right ! HadCRUT2v doesn't use a place called Shenzhen, nor any place with a similar sounding name in SE China - at least in the anglicized Chinese names we have ! Time Atlas has Shenzhen just across the old border from Hong Kong. We use the Royal Obs. in HK, but this stopped reporting in 1992. Cheers Phil At 16:52 14/03/2005, you wrote: Phil I was able to get it, not read it yet. Seems to highlight that Urban Heat Island changes are important and we ought to say that. Question for global numbers is whether the stations used are affected by this or not: how much might be due to this? Kevin > > Kevin, > The attachment can wait till you get back. I'll email Lisa > and see what she has. > > Cheers > Phil > > > At 12:51 14/03/2005, you wrote: >>Hi Phil >>I am in Guayaquil, not sure I can read the attachment. Yes I have the >>comments from these. I have sent all to Lisa Butler who is collating >> them >>all. I don't have the master list. I think there are more?? >> >> >> > >> > Kevin, >> > Thanks for this. As a check I have some comments from >> > >> > C. Y. Lam >> > Gareth Marshall >> > Peter Thorne >> > Simon Josey and Sergey Gulev >> > John Christy >> > Richard Allan >> > Adrian Simmons >> > John Lanzante >> > Hans Alexandersson >> > Matthew Wheeler >> > >> > Do you have any more or are missing any of these? >> > >> > The attached paper makes the same mistake as Kalnay and Cai. It >> > believes >> > NCEP ! Judith Curry on the NRC panel came up with a tirade of >> things >> > that she said >> > were wrong with the surface temp record. She said she would send me >> more >> > references but I've only managed to locate one of those she >> mentioned. >> > >> > Also if you're interested you can get Chet's paper. Saw him last >> week. >> > >> > Cheers >> > Phil >> > >> > You can find the paper: >> > >> > Ropelewski, C.F, D.S Gutzler, R.W. Higgins, and C. R. Mechoso, 2005: >> The >> > North American Monsoon System, Proceedings of the Third International >> > Workshop on Monsoons (IWM-III), Hangzhou, China, 2-6 Nov. 2004. >> > >> > >> > [1]http://iri.columbia.edu/~chet/04NAMS-NOV_pdf_ver.pdf >> > Chet >> > >> > It will be in >> > >> > The Global Monsoon System: Research and Forecast >> > >> > (Subtitle: Report of the International Committee of the Third >> > International Workshop on Monsoons, November 2004, Hangzhou, China) >> > >> > Editors: C.-P. Chang, Bin Wang and Gabriel N.C. Lau >> > >> > WMO TD-###, 2005 >> > >> > >> >>Why should I want to look at that? >>Kevin >> >> >> > >> > At 20:01 11/03/2005, you wrote: >> >>Hi all >> >> >> >>On behalf of Phil Jones and myself, I firstly want to thank those of >> you >> >>who have sent in comments on the zero order draft of Chapter 3. The >> >>comments are being collated and will be very useful to us in making >> >>revisions. The deadline I suggested is the end of this month, and so >> the >> >>main point of this message is to send a reminder to those of you who >> have >> >>not yet sent in comments. Now is the time to assess the material and >> >> make >> >>suggestions. It can have big impact at this stage. Later it will be >> >>harder as things start to get locked in. >> >> >> >>Thanks >> >>Kevin Trenberth >> >> >> >>-- >> >>**************** >> >>Kevin E. Trenberth e-mail: >> trenbert@ucar.edu >> >>Climate Analysis Section, NCAR [2]www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/ >> >>P. O. Box 3000, (303) 497 1318 >> >>Boulder, CO 80307 (303) 497 1333 (fax) >> >> >> >>Street address: 1850 Table Mesa Drive, Boulder, CO 80303 >> >> >> > >> > Prof. Phil Jones >> > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 >> > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 >> > University of East Anglia >> > Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk >> > NR4 7TJ >> > UK >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Prof. Phil Jones > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 > University of East Anglia > Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk > NR4 7TJ > UK > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------