date: Mon Sep 6 15:27:56 2004 from: Phil Jones subject: RE: GLOBAL OR NORTHERN HEMISPHERE TEMPERATURES IN HOLOCENE to: "Folland, Chris" Chris, It is ! When you have a long train/plane journey ! Bellamy should read it on his way home - better before he arrives ! Is talking to him an HC initiative? ENV here at UEA is trying to get him to come at some stage wrt wind turbines, which he's dead against. He may have a point re their cost etc, but he's shooting himself in the foot going for the science. He just ends up showing how little he knows. Cheers Phil PS I'll bring some hard copy reprints to Tarragona At 15:15 06/09/2004, you wrote: Phil Thanks very much. Your review paper looks well worth a read! Chris Professor Chris Folland Head of Climate Variability Research NOTE NEW EMAIL AND WEB ADDRESS Met Office, Hadley Centre, Fitzroy Rd, Exeter, Devon EX1 3PB United Kingdom Email: chris.folland@metoffice.gov.uk Tel: +44 (0)1392 886646 Fax: (in UK) 0870 900 5050 (International) +44 (0)113 336 1072)<[1]http://www.metoffice.gov.uk Also: Hon. Professor of Dept of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia -----Original Message----- From: Phil Jones [[2]mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk] Sent: 06 September 2004 14:18 To: Folland, Chris Subject: Re: GLOBAL OR NORTHERN HEMISPHERE TEMPERATURES IN HOLOCENE Chris, Paleo reconstructions is just to AD 200. What we have said is that the late 20th century is the warmest period in the last 2000 years, so stretching it a bit back to AD 1. Late 20th century is a bit loose, but I take it to be the 1980s and 1990s. I'm attaching a paper from Reviews of Geophysics. Maybe you can persuade David Bellamy to read it ! Maybe you won't get a word in edgeways ! I hope he listens. When I've heard him on the radio/TV and seen his rantings in the Daily Mail, he goes on about the hockey stick - says it's defunct and the main protagonists have withdrawn it. He thinks I'm one of these, but I'm not. He just parrots what some of the skeptic web sites in the US say. Tell him he should read the real peer-review climate literature ! Also attaching the GRL paper with the AD 200 series in. Good luck ! Let me know how you get on - Tarragona will do ! Phil PS I reckon that you would have to go back to about 3500BC to find a warmer period. So many of the very long series are poorly dated (decadal or less resolution), regionally biased and also very summer dependent. At 13:11 06/09/2004, you wrote: Phil Am I correct in stating that there is no such global or NH reconstruction (especially with error bars) before 200AD? Geff Jenkins thinks you have published a statement saying the 1990s were the warmest decade in the last 10000 years. So he may think there is a curve back to 8000BC. I am not aware of this but might have missed it. We expect to entertain David Bellamy on Thursday, hence the concerns. Thanks Chris Professor Chris Folland Head of Climate Variability Research NOTE NEW EMAIL AND WEB ADDRESS Met Office, Hadley Centre, Fitzroy Rd, Exeter, Devon EX1 3PB United Kingdom Email: chris.folland@metoffice.gov.uk Tel: +44 (0)1392 886646 Fax: (in UK) 0870 900 5050 (International) +44 (0)113 336 1072)<[3]http://www.metoffice.gov.uk Also: Hon. Professor of Dept of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------