date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:21:39 -0400 from: "Michael E. Mann" subject: Re: Fwd: IUGG XXIV, 2007 - Perugia, Italy to: Phil Jones Hi Phil, was just about to log out and got your message. I think we will be spending most of our time exploring Umbria, but hopefully we'll catch up w/ Caspar when he's in town, and also Drew Shindell who is here w/ his family... The UK FOIA seems like a real pain. What McIntyre and his ilk are trying to do is to make doing science as unpleasant as possible for us. I suppose they think that discouraging the scientists is the best way to prevent the science from moving forward. Its really disgusting, and hopefully folks from higher up realize what is going on. What about the legal folks at CRU, are they providing any help?? mike Phil Jones wrote: Mike, I think many people at IAMAS will be a long way from the conference centre. I'd just go along to the session and enjoy Umbria the rest of the time. You might find wireless there, so maybe add an extra hour or two to get some decent connection time. For the UK FOIA, anybody can make a request. The UK Act isn't limited to UK citizens. It seems this isn't generally realized even within the UK. This was the first thing I tried in order not to comply back in Feb. Our Act also applies to all data - regardless of where it comes from, so is not restricted to UK data. The Canadian Act is also this wideranging. So if I'd written a paper about some Martian data, then a person from Venus could ask me for it !!!! The Act in the UK clearly wasn't designed that well! Ciao Phil At 18:36 02/07/2007, you wrote: thanks Phil, well, just arrived in Perugia, unfortunately only have modem internet capability, so will be a challenge to keep up this week. Our hotel is far from the conference center, so probably I'll just go in for the day of our session, and we'll to daytrips the rest of the week. Thanks for the tips on Spoleto and Gubbio. We're looking into this... by the way, how can McIntyre issue an FOIA request to you. He's a Canadian!! talk to you later, mike Phil Jones wrote: Mike, Hope you are enjoying the break in Italy. Il Ciocco was a great meeting - back in 1995. I produced a book from it with Ray and Jean. Not yet the Science comments - but will when I get some time. Saw that CA come down on Burger's side. Loads of off the wall comments about site numbers around the world. There are about 20 (maybe less) well-dated high-res series for the whole of the millennium. McIntyre claims there are hundreds available to Keith! If only there were ..... Just got another FOIA request from McIntyre about some of the statistics we've used in Table 3.2 and 3.3 of Ch 3 of AR4. Forwarded to David Parker to see how we might respond, if we do. Relates to our use of Durbin-Watson D-Statistics. We had them in an early draft, but for space we withdrew them as all the trends passed. Nothing really RC can do. You might like to check with NCDC when you get back about all the FOIA requests they are getting re IPCC and also the HCN network. NOAA have sent an email to all observers (co-ops) saying it is up to them to allow CA people (or not) to take pictures of their sites. NOAA have withdrawn the site details and observer names from their web site. Places to visit in Umbria are Spoleto and Gubbio. Cheers Phil Cheers Phil At 12:27 29/06/2007, you wrote: thanks Phil, yeah, will just ignore this. We're in Viareggio right now. A couple days in Siena afterwards, and then onto Perugia for the meeting. Lorraine's meeting in Il Ciocco was very nice. As I recall, there was a paleoclimate meeting there some years ago (before I was in the field).... saw the exchange between Burger and Keith/Tim in the latest Science. I think they were clear winners in the exchange. I am unimpressed by Burger, especially in terms of attitude. I hope things are ok back in UK. What's the latest w/ McIntyres pestering of you? Anything we can do (e.g. RealClimate) to help? talk later, mike Phil Jones wrote: Mike, You can probably delete this. I would. Just passing on. Cheers Phil Subject: IUGG XXIV, 2007 - Perugia, Italy Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:14:58 +0200 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IUGG XXIV, 2007 - Perugia, Italy Thread-Index: Ace4xYrnpxyDQMT1T3ikPZln0YPYAg== From: "Smit, Tonny (ELS-AMS)" [1] Sender: "Nguyen, Samga (ELS-AMS)" [2] To: [3] Cc: "Smit, Tonny (ELS-AMS)" [4] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2007 14:14:59.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B86BDC0:01C7B8C5] X-UEA-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-UEA-Spam-Level: / X-UEA-Spam-Flag: NO Dear Dr. Jones, RE: JMS017 The Holocene-Anthropocene Transition: >From Natural to Human-Dominance of the Earth System Please allow me to introduce ourselves as the Publisher and Publishing Editor responsible for part of the Earth Science programme at Elsevier, Amsterdam, The Netherlands. 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