cc: Thomas C Peterson , David Easterling date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:07:59 -0500 from: "Russell.Vose" subject: Re: Climate Audit and Rewriting History! to: Phil Jones I saw the HCN bit this morning. These people have an obscure hobby -- I certainly don't give HCN thought in my spare time! Matt Menne probably has a plot of v2 minus v1. He's working on two papers, which should be done about end of March. We want to get things in the pipeline before the Peilke paper comes out. Phil Jones wrote the following on 2/16/2007 12:05 PM: Russ, Dave, There is a new USHCN bit on the Climate Audit website. They have picked up some series from John Daly's website (the guy who died 2 years ago), differenced them from your new one and produce a difference plot, then said this... The effect of the adjustments since 2000 has been to bring the USHCN history more in line with the CRU version. One wonders exactly what adjustments have been performed by CRU and the recent admission by Brohan et al 2006 that original versions of many series have been overwritten leaving only the adjusted versions is extremely disquieting. Now, guys I know we're good........ so they seem to believe you've adjusted your new version to be like ours. This gets funnier and funnier...... I reckon Daly's version, which is from Jim Hansen may be pre-v1. By the way do you have a plot of v2 minus v1? Is there a paper coming on v2? Cheers Phil At 14:04 16/02/2007, Russell.Vose wrote: Hadn't looked at this in a while. Thanks for a reminder, as I needed a laugh to start the day! Phil Jones wrote the following on 2/16/2007 7:46 AM: Haedline might be. 2006 no longer warmest year over the lower 48 states. It is now 1998, but we just missed it at the time! I presume you'll have error bars and good explanations! Cheers Phil [1]http://www.climateaudit.org/ Dear All, Occasionally I get to the end of a week and have a little spare time. I then look at Real Climate and Climate Audit. Look at the link above and the story about the USHCN. I began to look at the comments and said to myself - how long will it be before the CRU data are dragged into this. Answer - not long! What Brohan et al were getting at was the issue you know well. Country X or Scientist Y sends some data - saying its been homogenized. We added this data to the database as it looks fine (after some checks). Most of the data were for new stations. They may or may not contain adjustments but we use them, and we don't have the raw data, just what we've been sent! I bet you'll get many more accusations of manipulating the data. The skeptics don't seem to want to accept that techniques get better and new ideas come along. Cheers Phil Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [2]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Russell S. Vose, Chief Climate Analysis Branch National Climatic Data Center 151 Patton Avenue Asheville, North Carolina 28801 Phone: (828) 271-4311 Fax: (828) 271-4328 E-mail: [3]Russell.Vose@noaa.gov Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [4]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Russell S. Vose, Chief Climate Analysis Branch National Climatic Data Center 151 Patton Avenue Asheville, North Carolina 28801 Phone: (828) 271-4311 Fax: (828) 271-4328 E-mail: [5]Russell.Vose@noaa.gov