date: Wed Aug 25 10:42:52 2004 from: Phil Jones subject: Fwd: IDAG paper ready to be submitted, respond by AUG 31 to: Gabi Hegerl Gabi, Only have this morning to make any changes before Tuesday. So I've only looked at the paleo and inst. temp sections and the intro/conclusions. I've altered the text in the borehole section - basically saying how the issue could be resolved. This is different from Tom's point, but I think it ends more positively. Most boreholes don't have the last 15 years or so, so they need an extensive update like many proxies. If the boreholes had this better their whole record would change. Added a bit into section 4 about daily data so section 7 can refer back to it. I'm happy with Fig 1 as is. I've added a sentence to the caption saying errors are discussed in Jones and Mann (2004). This should answer Rev B # 5 comment. There isn't the space to go into this in any more detail. Any updated figure would look pretty much like this one. Also added a ref to Jones and Mann (2004) at the end of Tom's section on paleo-forcing. The section was all about EBMs which is fine, but there is more on GCMs in the RoG paper. The millennial run CGCM papers are not yet out, but they agree with what Tom is saying. BTW, Hans et al are wrong in saying that their model shows that paleo doesn't capture low-freq variability. A model can't tell you that. They do have a paper coming out in Science though. I still think there are aspects of seasonal courses of change that are wrong in the models and the paleo data are nowhere near perfect. This will all get addressed by IPCC, so see you in Trieste. I'm away after about 4pm UK time today - back in on Tuesday if you need anything else. Cheers Phil Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:48:20 -0400 From: Gabi Hegerl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Tim Barnett , francis , hegerl@duke.edu, myles , Tom Crowley , Nathan Gillett , Klaus Hasselmann , Phil Jones , Ben Santer , Reiner Schnur , "Stott, Peter" , Karl Taylor , "Tett, Simon" Subject: IDAG paper ready to be submitted, respond by AUG 31 X-UEA-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-UEA-MailScanner: Found to be clean Dear all, Please find attached a revised version of the IDAG review paper, along with response to reviewers. Francis has done a great job revising the paper. Tom and I have modified the borehole section a bit and I fiddled a little bit with some details. All changes are marked. Things that you particularly need to do, please\: - check if your references are up to date and if you would like to add a (in press or so) reference - BEN, please check and update where necessary the upper air section - PHIL, please check the borehole section and response to comment 5 rev B, if we could update figure 1 by one with errorbars taht still compares paleo reconstructions, that might help but present response is ok by me, too. If you need a bit more time, let me know, but we promised the paper resubmitted very early in September, so I need your response as soon as possible. No response and I assume you are completely happy. Gabi -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gabriele Hegerl Division of Earth and Ocean Sciences, Nicholas School for the Environment and Earth Sciences, Box 90227 Duke University, Durham NC 27708 Ph: 919 684 6167, fax 684 5833 email: hegerl@duke.edu, [1]http://www.env.duke.edu/faculty/bios/hegerl.html Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------