date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:48:49 +0100 from: Rasmus Benestad subject: Re: Apologies fro spoiling your day! to: Phil Jones Hi, I have made a stab at drafting an RC-post. If you wish or have time to comment it, I'd be happy to get some feedback... Cheers! Rasmus Phil Jones wrote: > > Rasmus, > > 1 site on Svalbard > > Just sent this to someone else. > > If you redid this analysis with RSS it would all likely go away! > > Cheers > Phil > > > Did I say JGR would be a better outlet for a paper ! I thought it was a > good journal with sound refereeing! Just been sent the attached by a > journalist. No idea when it is coming out - but it seems as though it has > passed their peer review. > I know they have done this sort of thing before, but they weren't in > very good > journals. > > Basic premise - let's find a way to adjust the surface and we'll > sort of > hope we'll get something like the UAH MSU distribution of trends. > > When reading it, you may be saying to yourself - I don't recall > that paper > coming to this or that conclusion. You will be right - the papers don't. > Seems as though you can fool at least 3 reviewers, by adding in token > references for totally invalid reasons. > > Although it will make no difference if they had used a more up to date > reference, the three lines at the start of paragraph starting on p15. > It is > good to remember and occasionally reference Roy Jenne, but his being > the latest source they could find for the mean pressure in each grid cell > has to be a wind up! Did they not consider NCEP - they refer to > Kalnay and Cai copiously. Then there is ERA-40, HadSLP2. Can anybody > think of a pressure climatology before Jenne (1974)! > > Oh yes - when saying that the land temperature trends have to be > reduced (to remove these extraneous effects) did they ever consider > what the ocean (particularly the tropical ones) has done over the same > period. Of course not!! > > Seems no mention of RSS - or uncertainty in the MSU measurements. > > > At 13:18 05/12/2007, you wrote: >> Hi Phil, >> >> Thanks. I received a copy from Gavin, and plan to write a RealClimate >> post to it for starters. It provides a good opportunity to rip into >> their response in CR on my criticism (which was even more extreme). No >> need to appologise, as you didn't manage to spoil my day after all :-). >> >> By the way, how many series did you use for Svalbard in the gridded data? >> >> Cheers! >> >> Rasmus >> >> Phil Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Rasmus, >>> Apparently this paper is coming out in JGR - >>> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> Can't express my feelings without invoking the mood aspects of the >>> emailer. >>> There is just so much wrong with it, it is laughable. >>> They appear to be sending it around to journalists. No idea when it's >>> coming out. JGR has gone downhill by several steps! >>> Cheers >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> Prof. Phil Jones >>> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 >>> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 >>> University of East Anglia >>> Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk >>> NR4 7TJ >>> UK >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > Prof. Phil Jones > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 > University of East Anglia > Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk > NR4 7TJ > UK > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\t.pdf"