date: Mon Aug 24 15:20:28 2009 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: transparency to: Harold Ambler Dear Harold, I realise that I have again wasted my time trying to respond to people who do not want to understand some simple arguments. You have put completely wrong motives to statements in my last email. I work in a University. In the UK I am not considered a public servant. Attached is another paper about the costs of climate data in Europe. It is the Met services that you should be lambasting. I have been for years, but have not gotten very far. It is better to work with them according to their rules. I will say one more thing. Have you considered this issue from a perspective of a Met Service in Africa or South America. I have been told by people from these Met Services that one of the reasons they restrict access to data is that scientists in Europe and North America use their data to further their own scientific ends. This is a sort of data imperialism. They get nothing back and think of themselves as mere data collectors. They want to improve the lot of their scientists. I am able to help a few of them with grants to come and do MSc and PhD courses here at UEA, but it is only a few. It would be easy for McIntyre to produce his own global temperature series. He has no interest in doing this. Science advances through publications in scientific journals. This was how it worked in the 19th and 20th century. There are 4 versions of the global temperature series and they all agree with each other. Go to the web site below and download Ch 3, then look at Figure 3.1 [1]http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html McIntyre has claimed to audit the GISS series - he has not written anything in the scientific literature though on this. The other 3 show much the same thing. Best Regards Phil Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------