cc: Gavin Schmidt date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:49:03 -0500 from: Michael Mann subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Past Millennia Climate Variability - Review Paper] to: Phil Jones thanks Phil, that's fine w/ me. We could continue to wordsmith and refine, but what would be the point if we're going to have to make significant revisions anyway after review. Only reason to consult me before submitting again would be if there were disagreement w/ the changes suggested. as for reviews on boreholes and on varves, I'm drawing a blank. Jones and Mann '04 is the best I can think of!! mike Phil Jones wrote: Gavin, Mike, Thanks for the comments. The coral and ice core groups are getting together to amend their sections. I can get rid of most of that paragraph in the Appendix Gavin. Just alerting the reader that the 1990 curve has been used is enough. Would you two be happy with us modifying it here and submitting when ready? We'll send round again then whilst the journal reviews it. I know it's a bit disjointed in places - the worst is the low-freq marine section. Peck has too much on to do a complementary piece for lakes. I don't reckon much to stalagmites - not stalactites for that matter! Do you know of a good recent review on boreholes and/or varves? Cheers Phil At 22:37 21/02/2008, Michael Mann wrote: Gavin, FYI, attached are comments I forwarded Phil yesterday, in some cases overlapping w/ comments of yours, but also dealing with some other issues. I chose not to send these to the entire list, because if everyone were to do this it would lead to an uncontrollable frenzy and perhaps some disputes. I think its best to put this all in Phil's capable hands, and let him sort things out. mike -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Past Millennia Climate Variability - Review Paper Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:57:58 -0500 From: Michael Mann [1] Reply-To: [2]mann@psu.edu Organization: Penn State University To: Phil Jones [3] References: [4]<20080220161117.1AFE9308294@mail.meteo.psu.edu> Hi Phil, The paper has shaped up very nicely--thanks for all of the work you've done on this. The appendix is especially nice--it's great to see this business finally put to rest, and will be very nice to finally be able to cite this when the paper is in press. I've attached a modified version, for your use. i didn't want to circulate to the full group, because frankly I wasn't quite sure whose feet I'm stepping on w/ some of my suggested edits/deletions. In a few places, I've objected (somewhat strenuously!) to some added bits that I felt were problematic/wrong and/or redundant anyways w/ better treatment and discussion of related issues elsewhere in the paper. I've also made a number of other comments regarding issues that are minor but nonetheless in my view important to get right, since this paper probably will be widely cited. Let me know if any of my suggestions/changes require further discussion. All of my changes are highlighted in cyan w/ comments in brackets and bold font. I fixed the ambiguity in Mann et al '05/'05b. There is just one Mann et al (05) that is relevant in this paper, so I've eliminated the 'b's, and I've also updated any outdated references. I also added a short statement to the acknowledgements (also highlighted in cyan). talk to you later, mike Phil Jones wrote: > > Dear All, > Attached is the latest draft. This has undergone much change in > the past couple of > months. Keith has arranged for this to reviewed quickly by The > Holocene. Subject > to that being OK it will also be fastracked and could by out by the > boreal autumn. > So we need you to look through your section, and overall. We'd like > to submit this in > early March. > We know some small bits are missing (SH trees for example - > Ricardo is likely in > the field). We also need to clean up the references. If you have some > of those highlighted > in yellow - send them. > Can you all check the conclusions and add/modify but keep them fairly > concise and in the bullet form? Also add in acknowledgements you'd like > to have at the end. I presume you all want to remain involved in > this. Also > check affiliations. > > When you get this can you all acknowledge the email, so I can be sure > my list is OK and that all have received it. > > Cheers > Phil > > PS can someone send this on to Huges Goose. He doesn't seem to be on > this > list. > > > Prof. Phil Jones > Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 > School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 > University of East Anglia > Norwich Email [5]p.jones@uea.ac.uk > NR4 7TJ > UK > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 The Pennsylvania State University email: [6]mann@psu.edu University Park, PA 16802-5013 [7] http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm -- Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 The Pennsylvania State University email: [8]mann@psu.edu University Park, PA 16802-5013 [9] http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [10]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 The Pennsylvania State University email: [11]mann@psu.edu University Park, PA 16802-5013 [12]http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm