cc: Edward Cook , Keith Briffa ,Paul Krusic date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:45:55 +0000 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: Any ideas? to: Edward Cook Ed, A guy from Bhutan came to the meeting we had in Pune in 2005. His name will be in the author list of the attached paper, but the series he had for Bhutan were all very short. I seem to recall the late 1980s, which just about worked with the software we were using with all the participants at the meeting. I guess we could do something with the data. We'd need to work out a new base period and then grid the absolute (say 1985-2005) and then use the anomalies to get 20 year time series. It is probably doable, but might take a bit of effort. It depends on who we have who can run the software here. Also need a high-res elevation dataset which we have - well at 10 min resolution. Let's talk about this next year. The proposal doesn't seem to promise much updating. Rob should be careful. I heard he was talking to McIntyre at a coffee place and the whole place could hear what they were saying. Rob was saying things like - don't use this on the website. I reckon sooner or later Rob will realise his new friend isn't one after all. Cheers Phil At 12:25 21/12/2006, Edward Cook wrote: Hi Phil, Believe it or not, I also peeked at Climate Audit last week as well to see what McIntyre had to say. He was actually rather low-key on the hockeystick session, although he was rather ugly as usual in criticizing past work including that done by Keith. However, Rob Wilson is evidently his new friend now. I warned Rob not to trust him because McIntyre will only use him for information to criticize the field. I too am rather puzzled by reference to Bunn and Lloyd getting NSF money to update chronologies. It is the first I have heard of it. I just went on the NSF website and found the proposal that has been funded: Award Abstract #0612341 Collaborative Research/RUI: Past, Present and Future Productivity of Arctic Woody Vegetation in a Warming Climate. I have attached a pdf from the website page that includes the proposal abstract. It does mention doing some chronology updates for looking at the "divergence" problem. Getting back to met records from Asia, do you have any from Bhutan? There is a reasonable chance that I can get data for as many as 82 stations there (see the attached Excel file). The problem, if it is one, is that the station records only start in 1985. Would they still be useful to you? If so, now for a possible catch. If I can get basically all of the Bhutan met data for you, would it be possible for you to produce high-resolution (say like your 10' European data) interpolated fields of tmp and ppt for Bhutan? That would be a huge development for Bhutan, and Paul and I would produce a climate atlas for Bhutan from the data in our collaboration with the Met Office there. Paul and I are really trying to push the science in Bhutan and we both think this would be a great thing to do. It would also make it easier for the Bhutanese to share the data with us. Cheers, Ed  ================================== Dr. Edward R. Cook Doherty Senior Scholar and Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Palisades, New York 10964 USA Email: drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu Phone: 845-365-8618 Fax: 845-365-8152 ================================== On Dec 21, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Phil Jones wrote: Ed, I see on the Climate Audit web site (that I occasionally look at) that at the AGU last week, there was a talk by Andy Bunn and Andrea Lloyd. According to McIntyre, they are updating chronologies around the world (funded by NSF). Have you ever heard of them? Have a great Christmas and New Year! Phil Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Hi Phil, Believe it or not, I also peeked at Climate Audit last week as well to see what McIntyre had to say. He was actually rather low-key on the hockeystick session, although he was rather ugly as usual in criticizing past work including that done by Keith. However, Rob Wilson is evidently his new friend now. I warned Rob not to trust him because McIntyre will only use him for information to criticize the field. I too am rather puzzled by reference to Bunn and Lloyd getting NSF money to update chronologies. It is the first I have heard of it. I just went on the NSF website and found the proposal that has been funded: Award Abstract #0612341 Collaborative Research/RUI: Past, Present and Future Productivity of Arctic Woody Vegetation in a Warming Climate. I have attached a pdf from the website page that includes the proposal abstract. It does mention doing some chronology updates for looking at the "divergence" problem. Getting back to met records from Asia, do you have any from Bhutan? There is a reasonable chance that I can get data for as many as 82 stations there (see the attached Excel file). The problem, if it is one, is that the station records only start in 1985. Would they still be useful to you? If so, now for a possible catch. If I can get basically all of the Bhutan met data for you, would it be possible for you to produce high-resolution (say like your 10' European data) interpolated fields of tmp and ppt for Bhutan? That would be a huge development for Bhutan, and Paul and I would produce a climate atlas for Bhutan from the data in our collaboration with the Met Office there. Paul and I are really trying to push the science in Bhutan and we both think this would be a great thing to do. It would also make it easier for the Bhutanese to share the data with us. Cheers, Ed Content-Type: application/pdf; x-unix-mode=0644; name=Award#0612341 - Collaborative Research.pdf Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Award#0612341 - Collaborative Research.pdf" ================================== Dr. Edward R. Cook Doherty Senior Scholar and Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Palisades, New York 10964 USA Email: [1]drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu Phone: 845-365-8618 Fax: 845-365-8152 ================================== On Dec 21, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Phil Jones wrote: Ed, I see on the Climate Audit web site (that I occasionally look at) that at the AGU last week, there was a talk by Andy Bunn and Andrea Lloyd. According to McIntyre, they are updating chronologies around the world (funded by NSF). Have you ever heard of them? Have a great Christmas and New Year! 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