date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:30:32 +0100 from: "Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\)" subject: RE: FW: Environmental Information Regulations request (FOI_07-09 to: "Phil Jones" , "Mcgarvie Michael Mr \(ACAD\) k364" Phil/Michael, Here is a draft letter to Mr. McIntyre based on the information below.... Ok with you? And thanks for the prompt responses Phil - appreciated! Cheers, Dave ______________________________________________________________________________________ From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:00 PM To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB); Mcgarvie Michael Mr (ACAD) k364 Subject: Re: FW: Environmental Information Regulations request (FOI_07-09 ; EIR_07-02 Dave, I can't do anything about B. This is because I don't have a copy of the station data we had in 1990. The station database evolves and we weren't able to keep versions of it - as we added, amended and deleted stations. We didn't have the data storage luxuries we have now. Tell him the best he can do is to use the current version of CRUTEM3(v) or CRUTEM2(v) - as the latter is still available on our web site, though not updated beyond 2005. These latest versions are likely different from what we had in 1990. Australia and China have both released more data since then - it is likely that much of this was not digitized in 1990. He will say the grid resolution is now different, but this is again due to greater disk storage available. The details of our updating of the raw station data is discussed in Jones and Moberg (2003). Jones, P.D. and Moberg, A., 2003: Hemispheric and large-scale surface air temperature variations: An extensive revision and an update to 2001. J. Climate 16, 206-223. He will be well aware of this paper, and he won't like the answer. There is nothing I can do here, except make the helpful suggestions above. If you want to draft a reply I'm here this week, but in Geneva next week. This is the end of the road for this request, when you send the reply. We just don't have what he wants. He can appeal, but aprt from the 2003 paper, there were others in 1993 and 1997 which documented other improvements to the basic raw station data. Does the FOIA apply retrospectively? As you know this was 17 years ago. I'll get to the other FOIA email in a few minutes. Cheers Phil At 16:02 17/04/2007, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote: Phil/Michael, A partial result - I thought we answered (A) by way of the data mounted on the site... As to (B), stations in the gridded network ... are these the stations that Eschenbach is requesting the locations for? Cheers, Dave ___________________________________________________________________________________ From: Steve McIntyre [[1] mailto:stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:57 PM To: 'Palmer Dave Mr (LIB)' Subject: RE: Environmental Information Regulations request (FOI_07-09 ; EIR_07-02 Dear Mr Palmer, Thank you for your courtesy and attention in this matter, which has successfully resolved part (A) of my request. However part (B) remains outstanding and I re-iterate my previous request for this information: A) the identification of the stations ... for the following three Jones et al 1990 networks: 1. the west Russian network 2. the Chinese network 3. the Australian network B) identification ... of the stations used in the gridded network which was used as a comparandum in this study Thank you for your attention. Regards, Steve McIntyre -----Original Message----- From: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) [[2] mailto:David.Palmer@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:30 AM To: stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca Subject: Environmental Information Regulations request (FOI_07-09 ; EIR_07-02 Mr. McIntyre, Further to my memo of 3 April and your response of the same date, I attach further information as promised on this matter. As always, don't hesitate to contact me with queries or concerns. Cheers, Dave Palmer <> ____________________________ David Palmer Information Policy Officer University of East Anglia Norwich, England NR4 7TJ Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\Info_offer_letter_final_070418.doc"