From: Ben Santer To: "Thorne, Peter" , Peter.Thorne@noaa.gov, Leopold Haimberger , Karl Taylor , Tom Wigley , John Lanzante , Susan.Solomon@noaa.gov, Melissa Free , peter gleckler , "'Philip D. Jones'" , Thomas R Karl , Steve Klein , carl mears , Doug Nychka , Gavin Schmidt , Steven Sherwood , Frank Wentz Subject: [Fwd: Santer et al 2008] Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:13:11 -0700 Reply-to: santer1@llnl.gov Cc: "David C. Bader" Dear folks, While on travel in Hawaii, I received a request from Steven McIntyre for all of the model data used in our IJoC paper (see forwarded email). After some conversation with my PCMDI colleagues, I have decided not to respond to McIntyre's request. If McIntyre repeats his request, I will provide him with the same answer that I gave to David Douglass - all model and observational data used in our IJoC paper are freely available to scientific researchers (as are algorithms for calculating synthetic MSU temperatures from climate model and radiosonde data). If Mr. McIntyre wishes to "audit" our analysis and findings, he has access to exactly the same raw data that we employed. He can compute synthetic MSU temperatures exactly the same way that we did. And he has full details of the statistical tests we applied to compare modeled and observed temperature trends. Recall that McIntyre is the guy who "audited" the temperature reconstructions of Mike Mann and colleagues. Now it appears as if McIntyre wants to audit us. McIntyre should have "audited" the methods and findings of Douglass et al. 2007 - not the methods and findings of Santer et al. 2008. I thought you should know about this development. With best regards, Ben ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin D. Santer Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory P.O. Box 808, Mail Stop L-103 Livermore, CA 94550, U.S.A. Tel: (925) 422-3840 FAX: (925) 422-7675 email: santer1@llnl.gov ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-Account-Key: account1 Return-Path: Received: from mail-2.llnl.gov ([unix socket]) by mail-2.llnl.gov (Cyrus v2.2.12) with LMTPA; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:29:15 -0700 Received: from mail-2.llnl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail-2.llnl.gov (8.13.1/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.7 $) with ESMTP id m9KHTFlg029183 for <[vacation]santer1@mail.llnl.gov>; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:29:15 -0700 Received: (from vacmgr@localhost) by mail-2.llnl.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m9KHTFgZ029180 for [vacation]santer1@mail.llnl.gov; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:29:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: mail-2.llnl.gov: vacmgr set sender to stephen.mcintyre@utoronto.ca using -f Received: from nspiron-2.llnl.gov (nspiron-2.llnl.gov [128.115.41.82]) by mail-2.llnl.gov (8.13.1/8.12.3/LLNL evision: 1.7 $) with ESMTP id m9KHSuoB029014 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:29:14 -0700 X-Attachments: None X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5300,2777,5408"; a="29194653" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,453,1220252400"; d="scan'208,217";a="29194653" Received: from nsziron-1.llnl.gov ([128.115.249.81]) by nspiron-2.llnl.gov with ESMTP; 20 Oct 2008 10:29:13 -0700 X-Attachments: None X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosBADJd/EiAZISXgWdsb2JhbACCRyyHF4llAQELBwQKBxGvE4Ns X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5300,2777,5408"; a="65324012" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,453,1220252400"; d="scan'208,217";a="65324012" Received: from bureau61.ns.utoronto.ca ([128.100.132.151]) by nsziron-1.llnl.gov with ESMTP; 20 Oct 2008 10:29:13 -0700 Received: from acerd3c08b49af (CPE0050bfe94416-CM00195efb6eb0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.231.2.44]) (authenticated bits=0) by bureau61.ns.utoronto.ca (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9KHT9Ds024194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:29:11 -0400 From: "Steve McIntyre" To: Subject: Santer et al 2008 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:29:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c932d9$5e5831a0$6602a8c0@acerd3c08b49af> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C932B7.D74691A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Dear Dr Santer, Could you please provide me either with the monthly model data (49 series) used for statistical analysis in Santer et al 2008 or a link to a URL. I understand that your version has been collated from PCMDI ; my interest is in a file of the data as you used it (I presume that the monthly data used for statistics is about 1-2 MB) . Thank you for your attention, Steve McIntyre