date: Thu Apr 2 10:35:07 2009 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: Final version of agenda? to: Tom Wigley Tom, We have to waste time when someone sends in an FOI request. It is against the law not to reply - and we have a limited time to reply (20-30 days - can't remember the exact time). He is David Holland. He is a retired engineer living in Northampton. He thinks there is a cover up on how Ch 6 of AR4 was written. He wants to know why some text was changed in the various drafts and in response to what comments. All relates to the last 1000 years proxy series. He seems to think that Keith shouldn't have referred to papers by Ammann/Wahl and Wahl/Ammann that have now appeared in Climatic Change. He also specifically wants to know if we were sent these by Caspar/Gene or Mike Mann or IPCC! Doing IPCC you get sent loads of papers by people who think they ought to be referred to in Chapters. Kevin and I got quite a few sent when we were doing Ch 3. Holland seems to think we should be logging these somehow. Holland has never done any reviewing. There is another way to receive papers before they come out..... Here's a link that comes up if you google David Holland Climate. He writes to places like this and Climate Audit and sends submissions to reports such as the Garnaut Review is Australia. If the latter has any sense they ignore the missives. [1]http://www.garnautreview.org.au/CA25734E0016A131/WebObj/D0830755GeneralSubmission-David Holland-DeficienciesintheIPCCFourthAssessmentReportofTheScientificBasisofClimateChange/$Fil e/D08%2030755%20General%20Submission%20-%20David%20Holland%20-%20Deficiencies%20in%20the%20 IPCC%20Fourth%20Assessment%20Report%20of%20The%20Scientific%20Basis%20of%20Climate%20Change .pdf The above is awful, so don't bother to wade through it - not even if you're stuck at an airport. Cheers Phil At 10:09 02/04/2009, you wrote: Phil, Don't waste time replying to this in detail, but who is Holland and what is his reason for wanting the emails? Tom. ++++++++++++++++ Phil Jones wrote: Ben, Glad that Malcolm is able to come. I've sent on Malcolm's acceptance to Keith here. Agenda looks good and having all - reception/dinner as well at NCAR will enable all to discuss/mingle, whatever. Let's hope the long June day is sunny. Would seem as though you can send this out to all those who've said they can come and to those who've not responded so far. We just need to decide if the video link is possible. The 7/8 hr time difference with the UK/Europe means that any here will likely not stay beyond the mid-afternoon. See you on Monday! Cheers Phil PS talking of McIntyre, Keith, Tim and I have a meeting with the FOI people here at UEA later today. A UK person (David Holland) has appealed UEA's refusal to send emails about who said what/changed what re Ch 6 of AR4. We have emails from all on Ch 6 saying that they don't want their emails sent on, so don't think there are any grounds. Holland is trying also on EIR (Environmental Information Regulations) as well as FOI. He also included emails from Caspar Ammann and Mike Mann as well. Will let you know Monday what happens. The whole thing is a pain. The FOI person sent all the correspondence yesterday - ~ 25 emails, including the UEA responses each time. Has been going on since March 2008! At 01:27 02/04/2009, Ben Santer wrote: Dear Lisa, Your edited version of the agenda looks great to me. I'm happy with all the changes you've made. I fully approve of having the dinner at NCAR. Incidentally, I'll be meeting Anjuli Bamzai at next week's Climate Change Prediction Program meeting in Washington D.C., and at that time I'll try to clarify the most efficient way of using my DOE Fellowship money to cover the Symposium expenses. Regarding the musical entertainment - Karl Taylor and I had something specific in mind. Karl is currently writing some form of musical tribute to Tom (I don't want to give too much away here!) Karl and I both play the guitar, and have provided similar "musical interludes" in the past (e.g., at Larry Gates' retirement dinner). So we would not need to make arrangements with an outside venue to cover the musical entertainment. It would be very helpful, however, if we could borrow two guitars for the evening - this would mean that we wouldn't have to lug our own guitars from Livermore to Boulder. With best regards, Ben Lisa Butler wrote: Ben, I'm attaching a version here with my info (Wigley_Agenda10-LB). Feel free to use or toss, as you wish -- my stuff is trivial, but here is what I've done: 1) Formatting: I changed the margins and spacing so it would all fit on one page. Just my personal preference. Disregard if you think it looks too crowded. 2) Heading: I just made it a little more formal, added location info. 3) Nit picking: added "noon" after 12:00; added "p.m." after 12:30; added a bit of info re lunch; corrected spelling of "Griffith" (Palutikof). That's it for now, but if we can get a consensus on the dinner we can add that location too (just say "at NCAR" since I still need to tie down Tree Plaza vs. Cafe). ****Does anyone object to having it at NCAR? Speak now or forever hold your peace!**** I think the reception and dinner schedules are fine. Especially the reception -- I find that people start to get antsy after about 45 minutes. If we are going to hold the dinner at NCAR I think I will extend the dinner reservation to 9:30 p.m. or 10:00 p.m. (depending on entertainment), just to be on the safe side. Also, a new question from me: do you have something specific in mind for the live music or should I be shopping for it? I didn't realize we were going to have music, but if we are, I think it's another reason to have the dinner at NCAR, rather than having to make arrangements with an outside venue to accommodate our entertainment. Best, Lisa Ben Santer wrote: Many thanks, Lisa! Best regards, Ben Lisa Butler wrote: Ben, I do have a couple of comments, a few informational items you may want to add. I'm working on it now and will get back to you shortly. Thanks, Lisa Ben Santer wrote: Dear Tom, Phil, and Lisa, Here is the complete agenda, with all speakers now confirmed. Is there anything you would like me to change before I send this out to the meeting participants? Lisa, should we say anything about the location of the reception? Do the times look right for the reception (45 minutes) and the dinner (90 minutes)? With best regards, Ben ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin D. 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