date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:12:57 +0100 from: Rob Wilson subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Ozzy TR data] to: Phil Jones Hi Phil, indeed - an e-mail from the RS has just come into my Inbox. I have to think about this carefully as, in general, I am very uncomfortable with discussing anything with the media. I have purposely tried not to comment on the Yamal issue despite Steve Mac's attempts to draw me in. I will probably make a very generic response to the RS and say that a response from Keith will be forth coming next week. Thanks for giving me the heads up. I am busy developing a large network of pines from Scotland at the moment and this species is incredibly sensitive to site differences, management influences etc. I am not surprised that there could be some 'odd' sites in the Russian data. hope you have a good weekend Rob Phil Jones wrote: A Rob, Good to have this support letter from Rosanne. I'll be working on the draft text over the weekend. My wife has some plans for me though, so I hope I can find some quality time. Was in London yesterday for the RS/RMetS meeting in UKCP09. Someone from the RS has just called - they've been contacted by the Wall St Journal. They tried to find me last night but I left the drinks reception at about 8pm, and they rang after this time! Anyway the press person at the RS is going to contact you - by email hopefully as well as phone. It may be that the WSJ have run with their story anyway! The RS wanted someone good to talk on the issue. I haven't said what the issue is - Yamal trees! Keith and Tom have almost finished their piece - should be up on Monday. I've read through it once and it seems OK. Goes into lots of detail. Upshot is that they now have all the modern trees from the 3 sites where Rashit Hantemirov took modern cores. They are sites YAD, POR and JAH. For some reason the Russians only used a few modern series (12 or 17). Keith and Tom have added all in now and the Schweingruber site. Result with all in looks like the 2008 paper. They will have plots of all sites (4) separately and together. The Schweingruber site is the odd one - and it's also further from where the majority of the sub fossil stuff comes from. The total number of trees going in when all are put through RCS is over 100. As you're fully aware there are lots of local non-climatic factors that can influence trees. Even though all the sites are all with a few hundred km of each other, you can't just cut some out and add others in. You could on these scales with temperature sites, but trees are different. Cheers Phil t 09:21 16/10/2009, you wrote: Hi Phil, Rosanne sent this on Monday and have been meaning to forward it to you. Have been completely bogged down this week. However, I am free again if you need any more text (or proof reading) before Monday Rob -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Ozzy TR data Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:17:22 -0400 From: Rosanne D'Arrigo [1] To: Rob Wilson [2] References: [3]<1C099EAC-2734-466D-9715-22656B2CB5CA@ldeo.columbia.edu> [4]<4AC10D51.6000205@st-andrews.ac.uk> [5] [6]<4AC24AF0.7020701@st-andrews.ac.uk> [7] [8]<4AC25A60.3090505@st-andrews.ac.uk> [9]<29F449F3-C621-46BD-AEA2-10C7E7A5CD46@ldeo.columbia.edu> [10]<4AC30478.1070405@st-andrews.ac.uk> [11] [12] [13] [14]<4AC462AE.3050507@st-andrews.ac.uk> [15]<1FBE3B32-D9C3-4BDE-BEB9-C0B184CC97FF@ldeo.columbia.edu> [16]<4AD33A95.4060007@st-andrews.ac.uk> [17]<1ADC021F-0B45-425A-8895-C1CDCF8D27E5@ldeo.columbia.edu> [18]<4AD36BB9.2010406@st-andrews.ac.uk> Rob - hows this - feel free to -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Rob Wilson Lecturer in Physical Geography School of Geography & Geosciences University of St Andrews St Andrews. FIFE KY16 9AL Scotland. U.K. Tel: +44 01334 463914 Fax: +44 01334 463949 [19] http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/ ".....I have wondered about trees. They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure. Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty might prove useful. " "The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Content-Type: application/applefile; name="joneslett.doc" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="joneslett.doc" change as needed.. cheers R On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Rob Wilson wrote: Hi Rosanne, here is one from Ricardo. It might help to give you ideas Rob Rosanne D'Arrigo wrote: Rob - would be great if you could send me an outline/template of what we need to say? cheers R On Oct 12, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Rob Wilson wrote: Hi Rosanne and Ed, sorry for slow reply - got swamped with a 1st year field trip over the weekend I think I am starting to lose the energy to pursue any PhD related activities as part of the Consortium Grant. Unless you think that there might be some serious interest to pursue this, the consortium will probably focus on compiling TR and other proxy records that are already published and available. As project partners, we will be needing letters of support from you. When you have the time, can you send it (them?) to Phil and I. many thanks Rob Rosanne D'Arrigo wrote: hi Rob, Jonathan Palmer and Patrick Baker collected samples together a few times, once or twice with my funding for travel, wood processing etc. we published 2 papers on this work. We are beginning to collaborate with Lou Cullen/Pauline Grierson from western Australia, who have also worked on Callitris and published a recent paper (see attached for all 3 papers for locations etc) cheers Rosanne On Oct 1, 2009, at 4:05 AM, Rob Wilson wrote: Hi Ed and Rosanne, OK - it looks like quite a bit of work is being done already. This whole project is already making me nervous as I don't want to tread on any toes and from a data generation point of view, it seems that much work is being done already. Rosanne tweaked my interest with the mainland chronologies she mentioned - where are these chronologies located and is Lamont the main group doing this work, or are these chronologies being generated by Baker? Rob Edward Cook wrote: Hi Ros and Rob, Just an additional warning. I believe that Mike Evans is working with Bowman. I am very serious about avoiding Bowman at all costs so I would worry about inheriting him with Mike. Nothing against Mike of course, but I would not work with Bowman in any way under any circumstances. Working with him would give him credibility that he does not deserve. Ed ================================== Dr. Edward R. Cook Doherty Senior Scholar and Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Palisades, New York 10964 USA Email: [20]drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu Phone: 845-365-8618 Fax: 845-365-8152 ================================== On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Rosanne D'Arrigo wrote: Rob, in addition to Patrick (and Jonathan), we have been or are planning to collaborate with Mike Evans (who is funded to do some isotopic work in Australia) and Lou Cullen/Pauline Grierson who are working on Callitris in western Australia. So, several groups working on mainland Australia tree rings at the moment (and Bowman of course)... cheers Rosanne On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Edward Cook wrote: Dear Rob, I am not opposed to what you are suggesting. Probably the places where a PhD student could do work in Oz would be (of course) with Janice at AIMS and also with Patrick Baker at Monash (collaborating with Kathy Allen as well). Patrick is doing a fair degree of chronology development in Oz oriented towards drought reconstruction. This is in addition to other activities there by others. As a word of caution, avoid David Bowman at the Uni in Hobart. He knows nothing useful about dendro, but pretends he does and is rather aggressive in promoting his case in Oz. Cheers, Ed ================================== Dr. Edward R. Cook Doherty Senior Scholar and Director, Tree-Ring Laboratory Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory Palisades, New York 10964 USA Email: [21]drdendro@ldeo.columbia.edu Phone: 845-365-8618 Fax: 845-365-8152 ================================== On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:10 AM, Rob Wilson wrote: Hi Rosanne and Ed, Would you be open to the possibility of a PhD project working with the Australian Mainland tree-ring data you mentioned. Rosanne said that some of these data go back ~300 years. Presumably these chronologies are moisture (ENSO) sensitive, so as well as the obvious terrestrial drought story, I think there would also be some very interesting comparative work with GBR coral data. Janice Lough is measuring stable isotopes on some of the longer GBR samples. NERC actively encourages PhD students to stay at overseas institutions for certain periods, so a PhD candidate, as well as doing fieldwork in Australia could spend some time at Lamont. what do you think? Rob Rosanne D'Arrigo Associate Director, Biology and Paleoenvironment Division Senior Research Scientist, Tree-Ring Lab Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University [22]rdd@ldeo.columbia.edu TEL 845-365-8617 FAX 845-365-8152 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Rob Wilson Lecturer in Physical Geography School of Geography & Geosciences University of St Andrews St Andrews. FIFE KY16 9AL Scotland. U.K. Tel: +44 01334 463914 Fax: +44 01334 463949 [23] http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/ ".....I have wondered about trees. They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure. Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty might prove useful. " "The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rosanne D'Arrigo Associate Director, Biology and Paleoenvironment Division Senior Research Scientist, Tree-Ring Lab Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University [24]rdd@ldeo.columbia.edu TEL 845-365-8617 FAX 845-365-8152 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Rob Wilson Lecturer in Physical Geography School of Geography & Geosciences University of St Andrews St Andrews. FIFE KY16 9AL Scotland. U.K. Tel: +44 01334 463914 Fax: +44 01334 463949 [25] http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/ ".....I have wondered about trees. They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure. Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty might prove useful. " "The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rosanne D'Arrigo Associate Director, Biology and Paleoenvironment Division Senior Research Scientist, Tree-Ring Lab Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University [26]rdd@ldeo.columbia.edu TEL 845-365-8617 FAX 845-365-8152 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Rob Wilson Lecturer in Physical Geography School of Geography & Geosciences University of St Andrews St Andrews. FIFE KY16 9AL Scotland. U.K. Tel: +44 01334 463914 Fax: +44 01334 463949 [27] http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/ ".....I have wondered about trees. They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure. Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty might prove useful. " "The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rosanne D'Arrigo Associate Director, Biology and Paleoenvironment Division Senior Research Scientist, Tree-Ring Lab Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University [28]rdd@ldeo.columbia.edu TEL 845-365-8617 FAX 845-365-8152 Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [29]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Rob Wilson Lecturer in Physical Geography School of Geography & Geosciences University of St Andrews St Andrews. FIFE KY16 9AL Scotland. U.K. Tel: +44 01334 463914 Fax: +44 01334 463949 [30]http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/gg/people/wilson/ ".....I have wondered about trees. They are sensitive to light, to moisture, to wind, to pressure. Sensitivity implies sensation. Might a man feel into the soul of a tree for these sensations? If a tree were capable of awareness, this faculty might prove useful. " "The Miracle Workers" by Jack Vance -----------------------------------------------------------------------