date: Tue Feb 26 12:41:18 2002
from: Mike Hulme <m.hulme@uea.ac.uk>
subject: RE: Rubbish from European Science and Environment Forum
to: "Jenkins, Geoff" <geoff.jenkins@metoffice.com>

   I've looked at the preface - all 11 'experts' are from America - strange for a European
   Forum eh? - with a forward from Philip Stott.  The same Marshall Institute type of material
   with Legates, Lindzen, etc.
   Also discovered that the ESEF is a registered charity operating out of a small village,
   Barton, outside Cambridge in a house next to my sister's cottage!  She tells me the guy -
   perhaps Roger Bate? - runs a Merc. with a Westminster car pass.  Next time I visit her,
   I'll go a-calling.
   Mike
   At 11:17 26/02/02 +0000, you wrote:

     I agree. It sort of died a death so suggest let's keep it that way.
     Resurrecting it would do more harm than good. DEFRA haven't pressed us to do
     anything (which they often do), so I guess they feel the same - and they
     might not want us to drag it all up either. I haven't actually seen the ESEF
     book - has anyone?
     Geoff
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: Yeatman, Andy
     > Sent: 26 February 2002 11:03
     > To:   Jenkins, Geoff; Griggs, Dave
     > Subject:      FW: Rubbish from European Science and Environment Forum
     >
     > Any thoughts or do you think Sir John's interview was adequate.  THere is
     > a view that replying just gives the esef report credibility which it
     > doesn't deserve.  Also I can't think of an obvious outlet for a rebuttal
     > given that Simon doesn't want to reply to the press piece.
     >
     > Andy
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: Simon Torok [SMTP:]
     > Sent: 26 February 2002 10:34
     > To:   acyeatman@metoffice.com; catherine. cook@ukcip. org. uk
     > Subject:      Rubbish from European Science and Environment Forum
     >
     > Dear Andy and Catherine,
     >
     > Did either of you hear the substantial (in volume, not substance) and
     > negative review of the IPCC report by the European Science and Environment
     > Forum (ESEF)? There was an article in the Daily Mail, a Stott vs Houghton
     > debate on Radio 4 and an item on BBC Online. I'm not aware of any
     > Broadsheets
     > picking it up.
     >
     > Have your organisations thought about a response? Considering the
     > approaching UKCIP02 launch, Mike thought the three of us could do a
     > rebuttal
     > to the ESEF paper (not a reply to the press piece), perhaps with input
     > from
     > the Carbon Trust who contacted us about a reply to the Daily Mail. The
     > press
     > side could be handled perhaps with a release drawing attention to our
     > rebuttal paper. An authoritative response with a link to the Royal
     > Society's
     > statement about the IPCC supported by international science academies
     > (http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/templates/statements/StatementDetails.cfm?state
     > me
     > ntid=138) would perhaps prevent such rubbish getting any media space in
     > future.
     >
     > The full ESEF paper is at [1]http://www.scienceforum.net/publications.htm and
     > the associated release at
     > [2]http://www.scienceforum.net/climatechange_pr_25feb.htm They're obviously
     > very anti-environment, and interestingly, the 'experts' on this 'European'
     > panel are all in the US.
     >
     > I'd envisage a reply from us being just a couple of pages. Please let me
     > know if you have already started something, if you'd like to combine our
     > efforts, or if you feel a response is inappropriate.
     >
     > Regards, Simon.
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