date: Thu Jul 8 16:43:06 2004 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: RoG web page for the 2004 paper to: "Michael E. Mann" Mike, Rasmus wrote the response today and did the work yesterday ! Bright guy - but it was all basically very obvious. I didn't have the time ! The IJC review only took 30 minutes. If Rasmus can do this is a day, why can't MM see it. He has sent his response to the CR editor (still Kinne !) and also to McKittrick. Let me know more about a possible move at a later date. Hope you get somewhere good. We've just moved house - to one with beams built in the 17th century, but the extension at the back in 20 years old. The front rooms are the old part with the new at the back. We've been in 2 weeks now and still unpacking. It really is called the White House even though it is Suffolk Pink Cheers Phil Cheers Phil At 10:58 08/07/2004 -0400, you wrote: hey phil, just read that Benestad et al paper--its very nicely done. Basically, McKitrick repeats the same problem over and over again (i.e., in their critique of us, and in their latest critique of the instrumental record). They form statistical models and fail to evaluate the skill through cross-validation. When one does that, the models indicate no skill! Amazing that it once again boils down to the same issue. They must know better. If they do, that suggests something worse... mike Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------