date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:01:46 +0000 from: Trevor Davies subject: Re: panel presentation to: Mike Hulme Mike, Think you've played the right line. It would suit us better than 2 would suit IC - as you say. Us being at a disadvantage if our 3 included Launder is a moot pont. Let's see what the 29th brings! TRevor Trevor At 10:32 17/02/00 +0000, you wrote: >Trevor et al., > >I have argued our case with Ian Dwyer for just 2 presenters and he >understands this. A final decision will wait until after the 29th. >Clearly if we are allowed 'up to 3' then since IC will go with three we >would be at a disadvantage were we to go with only 2. > >The notion of 3 came from EPSRC and ESRC apparently - Sir Crispin strongly >is in favour of just 2 people - he doesn't want hordes of people. >Subsequently, IC have also said they would like to have 3 people! (hence >my argument to Ian that we prefer only 2 since this would disadvantage IC - >Grubb and Houghton doesn't quite sound convincing to R.Councils does it?). > >It is possible that Brian has lobbied EPSRC I suppose, but maybe we are >getting a bit paranoid about him! Jim Halliday at CLRC reckons the >politics of UMIST would make it very difficult to by-pass Launder. > >Panel membership is 15 (but one absentee - I hope it is not Warrilow and >DETR) and the names will be published after the 29th Feb. > >Mike > >At 21:02 15/02/00 -0000, you wrote: >>Do the research councils have reps on the Panel?. My recollection is no- >>except for Ian. He is acting for all RCs. Us asking for representation >>across the RCs may offend him. >> >>How about responding along the lines; >> >>We are perfectly happy with two people. Our consortium is well-integrated >>enough for us not to have to worry about about having to represent more >>partners. As far as representation across the RCs is concerned, again, we >>are comfortable with two people. However, if you think that this is an >>issue, we are very happy to take your advice on this. (wording needs to be >>abit more elegant And perhaps stress that we have had 4-5 meetings - be good >>to get that in, informally) >> >>That puts the ball in his court, & gets us off the hook. (&, possibly, him). >> >>Trevor >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mike Hulme >>To: ; ; ; >>; ; ; >>; ; >>; ; >>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 5:24 PM >>Subject: panel presentation >> >> >>> This is most interesting given our earlier discussion!! I wonder whether >>> there has been some independent lobbying? (maybe by Imperial? I can't >>think >>> Shepherd or Launder really would have done this). >>> >>> Assuming this is Ian Dwyer's (RCs) initiative, how do we now respond? I >>> feel that it is now easier for us to say we would like 3 people (but can >>we >>> exclude Launder still, without causing offence?). >>> >>> Options would be: >>> >>> Hulme, Shepherd, Jenkins (no ESRC person) >>> Hulme, Shepherd, Shackley (no EPSRC person) >>> Hulme, Markvart, Shackley (good RC and Consortium balance, but too >>junior?) >>> >>> Suggestions please, before I take this wider. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:54:14 +0000 >>> >From: "Ian Dwyer" >>> >To: >>> >Subject: CCC >>> > >>> >Sorry to bother you again Mike >>> > >>> >Regarding the attendance of you and/or others at the Panel meeting to >>> >give a presentation and answer questions, I thought it best to let you >>> >know the details sooner rather than later (I will confirm formally in >>> >a letter acknowledging receipt of your bid). - >>> > >>> >You will be asked to give a short presentation (up to 10 mins) then >>> >you will be asked questions (30-40 mins). For you, this will happen >>> >around 1130 on the day (22 March). >>> > >>> >I indicated before that you could send up to two people from your >>> >consortium. I am interested to know whether you are keen at all to see >>> >this extended to three people (in view of having to cover 3 RC >>> >disciplines and more than 2 consortium partners)? >>> > >>> >Regards >>> >Ian >>> > >>> >------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >Ian Dwyer >>> >Global Change Coordinator >>> >Natural Environment Research Council >>> >Polaris House >>> >North Star Avenue >>> >Swindon SN2 1EU >>> >Tel: 01793 411511 >>> >Fax: 01793 411584 >>> >email: i.dwyer@nerc.ac.uk >>> > >>> > >> >> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Professor Trevor D. Davies Dean, School of Environmental Sciences University of East Anglia Norwich NR4 7TJ United Kingdom Tel. +44 1603 592836 Fax. +44 1603 507719 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++