cc: "Colam-French Jonathan Mr \(ISD\)" date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:48:00 +0100 from: "Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\)" subject: RE: FW: RE: Station data to: "Jones Philip Prof \(ENV\)" , "Ogden Annie Ms \(MAC\)" Phil, Sorry for not getting back to you sooner - been trying to get a few other requests out the door this am. I think the text is a good idea including a reference to future plans but I would phrase it to not mention specific Met agencies but rather something along the lines of 'Subject to obtaining consent for publication from the rights holders..." . I would NOT mention Mr. McIntyre on any of our pages - we can't really state that the CRUTEM2 data is publicly available as we have no idea what Mr. McIntyre intends to do with it and I think any mention of him personally is risky at best. I think any mention of the existence of the data sets either 'taken' from our ftp server or secured from the Met Office would be risky until we know what will be done with them and our (and the rights holders') response to the acquisition of this data. Annie - your thoughts on this? Finally - in regards your earlier email, I'm not sure I understand the relationship between the acquisition of the data from us (CRUTEM2) and the data supposedly secured from the Met Office. Are they the same data sets or different? I guess I'm trying to get a handle on what Mr. McIntyre actually has in his possession.... Cheers, Dave ______________________________________________________________________________________ From: Phil Jones [mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:49 AM To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB); Ogden Annie Ms (MAC) Cc: Colam-French Jonathan Mr (ISD) Subject: Re: FW: RE: Station data Dave, Here's what I propose to do over the next week or two. I will get the agreements scanned and write some text about them and the others that we have had. CRU had longer term plans with the Hadley Centre to release all the data they want when we do the next update in 2010. I could add this in to some text I write - saying we will do this once we've contacted various Met Services. I'm not sure about this? Is saying the least best? I could say for example that McIntyre has a version through 2002 and not the current one. I'll pass the text by a couple of people here and also by you, but if you have any thoughts let me know. Cheers Phil At 17:21 28/07/2009, Palmer Dave Mr \(LIB\) wrote: See below - What now folks? In reality, we don't have any IPR in the raw data so we have no 'rights' to it, and any action on our part would be as against the Met Office for breaching the terms of the agreement under which we provided the data to them. I should have added to my prior email that part of the response to data requests would be that it would be 'manifestly unreasonable' to disaggregate the data to parse out the data that is NOT covered by the agreements noted.... Cheers, Dave ___________________________________________________________________________________ From: Phil Jones [[1] mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:06 PM To: Palmer Dave Mr (LIB) Subject: Fwd: RE: Station data Dave, See this link below. This message sent by someone at the Hadley Centre. I guess we don't rise to the bait. Can we say taunting is vexatious? Cheers Phil [2]http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6644#comments This suggests to me that as there is no way that Dan would be aware its not him. Could it be that Mr. M sniffed the FTP site and ahs led everyone a merry dance. Can you log when that file was accessed? One for Mike and IT support at your end? - Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------