date: Thu Jan 3 10:15:12 2008 from: Phil Jones subject: Re: French stuff (+ 3 PDFs) to: Edouard BARD Hi Edouard, I saw some of these on the Real Climate web site. I also saw that Climate Audit also picked it up. They agreed with Pierrehumbert, but seemed to want to turn it into a pantomime (particularly English thing) and also a French Farce. Anyway it seems as though someone tracked down where Courtillot had got his data from. It did come from here, but it was on the NGDC site and it was only for the land N of 20N and just for April to September. So it wasn't what they said. Climate Audit tried to make something of this, but why not just take it from the CRU web site - like you did! Anyway I hope it doesn't run any more as well! Happy New Year. Cheers Phil PS Over Christmas I got these two emails from EPSL about 2 papers I reviewed and rejected. I'll forward just for you. I'm reviewer # 1, but there is an interesting note linking the editor to Courtillot. At 18:15 02/01/2008, you wrote: Bonsoir Phil, The media cover has been incredible, among others: [1]http://www.20minutes.fr/article/202189/Sciences-Les-sceptiques-francais-du-climat-acc uses-de-tricherie.php [2]http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3244,36-991405@51-853716,0.html [3]http://www.liberation.fr/transversales/futur/298894.FR.php There is also a long article in the third prominent French newspaper (Le Figaro, see attached PDF). Note that all these articles only describe the controversy from the "outside", i.e. without having me as a direct participant. Indeed, I don't want to be responsibe for unproven accusations of wrong doing. I also declined all sollicitations by medias (notably TV and radios). Hoping that this story will not lead to further problems, I wish you the best for this New Year 2008. Cheers, Edouard >Edouard, All the best for Christmas and the New Year! I don't regularly look at the Real Climate, but have done today. Ray Pierrehumbert has produced a great summary of the Courtillot et al. papers in EPSL (and your response). I had no idea the editor could remove a note added in proof, nor that he knew Courtillot et al either. It becomes a little clearer now, why I was getting emails from the editor. At least we all now know where the global T record came from. I had an email from a Swiss journalist a week ago. I will forward him the link. He wanted to refer to the article, but said it was awful and he should refer to this one attached by Lockwood and Frohlich. Mike Lockwood has two more in submission to the same journal, expanding on the ideas in this paper. Cheers Phil Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---------------------------------------------- Edouard BARD Professeur au Collège de France Chaire de l'évolution du climat et de l'océan Directeur adjoint du CEREGE, UMR-6635 Le Trocadéro, Europole de l'Arbois BP80 13545 Aix-en-Provence cdx 4 Tel 04 42 50 74 18, 04 42 50 74 20 (secr.) Fax 04 42 50 74 21, email bard@cerege.fr [4]http://www.college-de-france.fr/default/EN/all/evo_cli/ ---------------------------------------------- Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------