date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:09:48 +0000 from: Phil Jones subject: Fwd: last chance to: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk,t.osborn@uea.ac.uk Keith, Tim, These two emails came Tuesday. I seem to be a blind cc on them. I've not sent them on to Ed, but you can if you want. I did tell Ed when I saw him in Greece, that Tom Crowley had started this. I am wondering what has got Tom going like this. Tom used to work for 3 years at NSF, so has lots of contacts there. I wonder if Tom has tried to reproduce the chronology from the cores that have been lodged. I would reckon that Gordon/Rosanne would only lodge the cores they have used. It is what we'd do - or what we should do, if we were mindful to lodge any series. Cheers Phil >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:42:59 +0000 >From: Thomas Crowley >User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) >To: "Rosanne D'Arrigo" >Subject: last chance >X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk > with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus >X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 139.222.131.185 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 >X-Canit-CHI2: 0.00 >X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN, f028) >X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 5.00] SPF(none,0) >X-CanItPRO-Stream: UEA:f028 (inherits from UEA:default,base:default) >X-Canit-Stats-ID: 12016249 - 97068ba2e0ea (trained as not-spam) >X-Antispam-Training-Forget: >https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=12016249&m=97068ba2e0ea&c=f >X-Antispam-Training-Nonspam: >https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=12016249&m=97068ba2e0ea&c=n >X-Antispam-Training-Spam: >https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=12016249&m=97068ba2e0ea&c=s > >Dear Rosanne, > >you may know by now that I appealed to the Director of Lamont to >pressure Gordon to release the Mongolia time series composited >record back to ~900 > >He indicated that it might take some time to look into this matter. > >for other reasons I would like very much to include this time >series in a paper we are now writing, and since I have not heard >from the Director of Lamont, >I am going to the NSF Director with my complaint. > >I hate to put you in the middle of this - I like you and admire your >work and don't want you caught in any crossfire. > >but I feel that the community has been exceedingly patient and >cordial on this matter and that I am doing this only as a last recourse. > >I am willing to wait only until this Thursday (November 6) before I >send my message to the NSF Director. I hope very much one final >appeal will do it and obviate the need for any public dispute on this matter. > >Please Rosanne, you have to make Gordon realize that it is not just >him vs the world - you have rights too. > >With sincere regards, Tom > >ps don't forget -- because the data were already released to Ed >Cook (who has honored his promise to Gordon not to release it), >Gordon and you are on even more precarious grounds with respect to >justifying the withholding of the data from the rest of the community > >-- >The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >Scotland, with registration number SC005336. Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:45:45 +0000 From: Thomas Crowley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) To: Michael Purdy CC: tom crowley , "Rosanne D'Arrigo" Subject: Re: data request re: Gordon Jacoby X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 139.222.131.185 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 X-Canit-CHI2: 0.00 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN, f028) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 5.00] SPF(none,0) X-CanItPRO-Stream: UEA:f028 (inherits from UEA:default,base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 12057177 - e06c805665dc (trained as not-spam) X-Antispam-Training-Forget: https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=12057177&m=e06c805665dc&c=f X-Antispam-Training-Nonspam: https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=12057177&m=e06c805665dc&c=n X-Antispam-Training-Spam: https://canit.uea.ac.uk/b.php?i=12057177&m=e06c805665dc&c=s Michael Purdy wrote: >Dr Crowley - > >To the best of my knowledge, the data that you are requesting were >deposited in the NOAA data bank in August 2008. > >Mike Purdy Dear Mike, thank you very much for your response. but I think Gordon is not being entirely frank with you. The data from individual trees were in fact deposited. But what people really want to know is what the lead author of such a project considers the best guess composite of the individual trees - none extend the entire length of the time series, and they must be spliced together, after making some not-so-simple corrections for the growth rate effect of the trees and the relative importance of "site effects" for different trees (only the person doing the field work really understands that). Gordon published his best estimate of the composite time series -- the one that is most valuable to other climate scientists (who, being less familiar with site idiosyncracies, might not make the right choice in producing their own composite). The analogy in geophysics might be when someone requests a composite seismic synthesis published on a particular site, and all you release is the individual seismic lines and effectively say - "go to it". Gordon has repeatedly refused to release this composite to other scientists - EXCEPT to fellow Lamont scientist Ed Cook. If Ed feels more comfortable with Gordon's composite than one he could produce on his won, surely other scientists even more removed from the procedures must feel the same way. It is therefore frustrating not only to the field that Gordon won't release his reconstruction to them, it is doubly frustrating because he has been inconsistent on this matter in giving it to Ed. I wrote a separate letter to Rosanne D'Arrigo on this matter yesterday, saying that I was at the end of my patience on this matter (it has been going on almost TEN YEARS!), and that I am going to write the Director of NSF on the matter. Gordon has still not met his obligations to the field and I intend to write that letter unless he releases it immediately. I am sorry it has come to this stage. I am not mad at you or Rosanne (she has been caught in the middle on this fracus). But the community deserves that composite and I feel the matter has come to the point where either Gordon releases the data or I go to the Director of NSF, with cc's to the head of Ocean and Atmsopheric Sciences, and head of Directorate. I apologize in advance for the action, because it seems very determined, but in fact it is really due to one very obstinate person - Gordon - and after ten years my patience is now at an end. Sincerely, Tom Crowley -- Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ----------------------------------------------------------------------------