From: "Michael E. Mann" To: Tim Osborn Subject: Re: paper in this Friday's Science Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:07:02 -0500 Reply-to: mann@psu.edu Cc: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk Guys, A final revised version attached. I'm expecting the embargo to lift at midnight east coast U.S., but let me know if you hear otherwise. I will make sure the science website has posted the paper before posting myself... mike Tim Osborn wrote: > Hi Mike, > > thanks for putting this together, Mike. It is a nice summary plus > drawing out of the important strands etc. I especially like "might be > likened in shape to a certain implement used in a popular North > American winter sport" - Keith thinks you must mean a "ski"? > > The only negative thing I have to say is that you get in a couple of > "digs" at the sceptics which might unnecessarily rankle readers. e.g. > *astronomers* Soon and Baliunas; *unbridled* cherry picking. Still, > it's your name that's attached to this piece, so it's up to you to dig > if you want. > > Cheers and thanks again > > Tim > > At 13:42 09/02/2006, Michael E. Mann wrote: > >> Hi Tim, >> >> Maybe Science can still fix (at least, the online version?). I >> wouldn't lose sleep over this though. As typos go, its relatively minor. >> >> I must confess that I scavanged a figure off your page proofs. As the >> piece won't go online until after the article goes up on Science's >> website, shouldn't matter what the source was though... >> >> I've attached the piece in word format. Hyperlinks are still there, >> but not clickable in word format. I've already given it a good >> go-over w/ Gavin, Stefan, and William Connelley (our internal "peer >> review" process at RC), so I think its in pretty good shape. Let me >> know if any comments... >> >> thanks, >> >> Mike >> >> Tim Osborn wrote: >> >>> Bugger. You read and re-read the manuscript and the proofs and >>> *still* you miss things! Yes, it should be 1856. Thanks for >>> spotting this. >>> >>> I didn't reply yet about RealClimate because I thought Keith or I >>> would have to prepare something and wasn't sure if we'd have time >>> (IPCC deadlines!), but as you've done the work instead, that's great >>> - though we'd like to see it beforehand if possible. Did you >>> need/want a copy of a figure or have you got hold of one from >>> Science/journalist? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> At 19:53 08/02/2006, Michael E. Mann wrote: >>> >>>> Tim/Keith, >>>> >>>> I've worked up an article for RC to go online when the embargo is >>>> lifted. Will send later when finalized. One issue came up in an >>>> interview w/ a writer at Science, and I didn't know the answer. Is >>>> the shorter reference period you mention in caption of fig 3 really >>>> 1865, or is that a typo (i.e., supposed to be 1856). I couldn't >>>> think of a reason for why the latter date would be used, and >>>> guessed that "65" just got transposed accidentally? Please let me >>>> know if you can what the answer is. Its a minor point, but nice to >>>> get things right if possible... >>>> >>>> mike >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Michael E. Mann >>>> Associate Professor >>>> Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) >>>> >>>> Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 >>>> 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 >>>> The Pennsylvania State University email: >>>> mann@psu.edu >>>> University Park, PA 16802-5013 >>>> >>>> http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm >>>> >>> >>> >>> Dr Timothy J Osborn >>> Climatic Research Unit >>> School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia >>> Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK >>> >>> e-mail: t.osborn@uea.ac.uk >>> phone: +44 1603 592089 >>> fax: +44 1603 507784 >>> web: >>> http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/ >>> sunclock: >>> http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Michael E. Mann >> Associate Professor >> Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) >> >> Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 >> 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 >> The Pennsylvania State University email: >> mann@psu.edu >> University Park, PA 16802-5013 >> >> http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm >> >> > > Dr Timothy J Osborn > Climatic Research Unit > School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia > Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK > > e-mail: t.osborn@uea.ac.uk > phone: +44 1603 592089 > fax: +44 1603 507784 > web: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/ > sunclock: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm > -- Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 The Pennsylvania State University email: mann@psu.edu University Park, PA 16802-5013 http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\OsbornBriffa06Post1.doc"